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reporters asked paul ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop it up again. she gave a statement to the conservative "national review"." governor romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life." tony perkins got on the phone to say, don't worry, romney made a gaffe, this is not a change of position at all. perkins confirmed the campaign called and assured him romney wasn't changing his support for pro-life issues. romney himself tried to dig himself out of a hole. >> i'm a pro-life candidate and i'll be a pro-life president. the actions i'll take immediately are to remove funding for planned parenthood. >> it's hard to understand how mit
reporters asked paul ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop...
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romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's vote. with this walkback, this attempted and failed walkback that happened within the last 24 hours from the romney campaign, do you think that's going to have an impact there? >> yeah. there's some interesting data that came out in the last few days which i think is what was initially behind what mitt romney said, taking a more moderate position on abortion. first you had this poll that came out in ohio, showing obama ahead of romney by four. the gender gap in this thing was astounding. among men, romney had a 16-point lead in ohio. among women, 60-38, obama. that is like a 38-point gender gap. i have not seen someth
romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's...
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governor romney and congressman ryan. >> you know, in terms of the political saigs of this we're here at a debate. but the entire reason that this has become the you know political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. it's a big part of their stump speech. it's reckless and irresponsible. >> greta: what about at ab? you've got sound byte of the vice president and the sound byte of stephanie cutter. the vice president seems to have his facts fuzzy z stephanie blaming romney. >> the administration has a problem with the libya story. everyone knows what happened and everyone read all of the accounts, these conflicting accounts and they vai problem with this. and they need to know it. they need to figure this out. and if biden says something today that turns out to be, can be proven wrong in the next couple days that actually divides president and president knew their requests for more security from benghazi to the state department and they're turned down, they knew it all along. that is going to be a huge problem. but this story is a huge problem if that is never determin
governor romney and congressman ryan. >> you know, in terms of the political saigs of this we're here at a debate. but the entire reason that this has become the you know political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. it's a big part of their stump speech. it's reckless and irresponsible. >> greta: what about at ab? you've got sound byte of the vice president and the sound byte of stephanie cutter. the vice president seems to have his facts fuzzy z stephanie blaming...
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now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you think the president will be up to it now that the bar's been raised next week? >> we'll see. >> you're still undecided. >> yes. >> sam, you're still undecided. you gave me an answer earlier. you said, you know, they've been running for president for months and months and months. you have the internet, newspapers, radio, tv. you're getting bombarded by ads here. why can't you make up your mind? >> as i said before, we work for a living. you know, a lot of us get up at 4:00 a.m., go to work for 12, 14 hours. we're at home with our kids. we're not doing thi
now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you...
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he mentioned the reset. >> what would romney/ryan do? >> we agree with the same redline that they do on chemical weapons, but not putting american troops in, other than to secure those chemical weapons. they are right about that, but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those dissidents in syria. we should not have called bashar al assad a reformer, and we should not have waited for russia to give us the green light at the u.n. to do something about it. they are still arming the man. iran is flying flights over iraq. >> and the opposition is being armed. >> to help bashar al assad and by the way if we had the status forces agreement that the vice president said he'd bet his vice presidency on in iraq we'd probably be able to achieve that but he failed to achieve that again. >> >> what is in the national interests of the american people. the strategic national interests of our country. >> no humanitarian? >> each situation will come up with its own set of circumstances, but putting american troops on the g
he mentioned the reset. >> what would romney/ryan do? >> we agree with the same redline that they do on chemical weapons, but not putting american troops in, other than to secure those chemical weapons. they are right about that, but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those dissidents in syria. we should not have called bashar al assad a reformer, and we should not have waited for russia to give us the green light at the u.n. to do something about...
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you can see listed their favored candidates, mitt romney and paul ryan. we asked them for comment. he said to encourage employees to be informed, coke mailed a letter to their 50,000 u.s. based employees, makes clear the decisions about which candidates to support are up to each employee and based on factors important to him or her. the information they request, voter registration deadline, voting deadlines and a list of candidates supported by coke companies. it's no surprise, of course, the coke brothers support romney for president. they promised to spend $400 million for americans for prosperity to prevent president obama from winning a second term. they raise questions about the propryettery. agreed ceos marshalling the support of those who work for them. west gate resort ceo david segal e-mailed employees saying he'll have no choice but fire people if president obama is reelected and his tax rates go up. it doesn't pose a threat to your job. what does is another four years of the same presidential administration. if taxes are levied on me or my company, i will have no choice
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we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's folks as far as i can understand as i follow this is the question is the red line a weapon or is the red line a capability. the capability is before actually having a weapon and much more haze zilly defined? is that more or less -- >> that's my understanding. there's a broader sense of whether would an obama administration support israel as opposed to a romney administration? that is a real debate and a real question people are asking. i think if there is one to attack, obama would go along with it in the end. >> the intractability of syria was another issue that was on the table. i think the reason that
we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's...
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does paul ryan defend his original budget and medicare proposals in contrast to what governor romney is now proposing? >> well, what matters now is, what is governor romney's plan going forward and paul ryan has signed up for the romney plan. specifically with respect to the sequester, governor romney is opposed to it. in fact, when that was decided last summer governor romney issued a statement specifically mentions the prospect of some devastating cuts to our national defense budget should sequestration become necessary. so the governor has made it a priority to reverse the obama defense cuts. it's not just the $500 billion that will happen as a result of sequestratio sequestration, another $500 billion in the works. the president's defense secretary has said the combination of the obama defense cuts with sequestration will be devastating to our military. it will further weaken our standings in the world and embolden our adversaries. >> what about benghazi? do you think that is a legitimate issue for this campaign? do you think the president should be held responsible for what happ
does paul ryan defend his original budget and medicare proposals in contrast to what governor romney is now proposing? >> well, what matters now is, what is governor romney's plan going forward and paul ryan has signed up for the romney plan. specifically with respect to the sequester, governor romney is opposed to it. in fact, when that was decided last summer governor romney issued a statement specifically mentions the prospect of some devastating cuts to our national defense budget...
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republican nominee paul ryan trying to build on team romney's momentum. that is how it started last night. this morning we end. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to friday edition of "america's newsroom." martha is out. >> i'm jamie colby out for martha they provided points and issues on zingers and economy and debate decorum. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> with regard to social security, we will not, we will not privatize it. if we listened to governor romney and congressman during the bush years, man where all those seniors would be now if there money had been in the market. their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guaranty of medicare. >> here he is the problem. they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar turning medicare into a piggybank for obamacare. >> usually when there is a crisis we pull together. we pull together as a nation. as i said, even before we knew what happened to the amba
republican nominee paul ryan trying to build on team romney's momentum. that is how it started last night. this morning we end. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to friday edition of "america's newsroom." martha is out. >> i'm jamie colby out for martha they provided points and issues on zingers and economy and debate decorum. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting...
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gwen: and yet we've seen mitt romney and paul ryan continuing to talk about this every single day. which is interesting. because we are told that americans aren't voting on foreign policy issues. and yet here is one that won't go away. >> it's interesting also because this issue is -- is an issue that until quite recently, president obama had a huge lead against -- gwen: you were saying osama bin laden and the conversation would end. >> the polls do suggest they are chipping away at that. it's an interesting strategy, though, because as one republican strategist who's worried about it told me, when you start playing on those issues, you are playing on the commander in chief's turf. and the only time that that has ever really worked and made a difference in an election was with jimmy carter. gwen: and one of the things that joe biden was trying to do was to get back at that is to put the grinning and the smiling and the condescension was to try to say i know this guy. you can back up on this. and even on domestic issues, like the stimulus. which the republicans have always criticize
gwen: and yet we've seen mitt romney and paul ryan continuing to talk about this every single day. which is interesting. because we are told that americans aren't voting on foreign policy issues. and yet here is one that won't go away. >> it's interesting also because this issue is -- is an issue that until quite recently, president obama had a huge lead against -- gwen: you were saying osama bin laden and the conversation would end. >> the polls do suggest they are chipping away at...
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the romney/ryan plan, is it politically unpopular? he has to bring that up. >> woodruff: how do you see it, mark? >> i would say with paul ryan, he's got to k k kp it going. the republicans are on a roll right now, they feel they're on a roll. but he should heed the council of robert frost to john kennedy who said be more boston and less harvard. i would say be more wisconsin more walk shaw than washington, d.c. he cannot give in words his powerpoint if he mentions sequestration oncetor committee as a whole or the motion to recommit eyes will glaze over he's got to stay on offense but at the same time he has to par tri differences between him and governor romney and especially changes that governor romney -- several incarnations that have gone to is going to parry that, not to get into the weeds but parry it. as far as joe biden, i think he's got a tougher but in many ways more simple. he's got to lift the spirits of the spirited -- dispirited democrats. i think he f he does that -- he is the happy warrior, very much so. a lot more so
the romney/ryan plan, is it politically unpopular? he has to bring that up. >> woodruff: how do you see it, mark? >> i would say with paul ryan, he's got to k k kp it going. the republicans are on a roll right now, they feel they're on a roll. but he should heed the council of robert frost to john kennedy who said be more boston and less harvard. i would say be more wisconsin more walk shaw than washington, d.c. he cannot give in words his powerpoint if he mentions sequestration...
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for example, many of us democrats going into florida and making clear the message that the romney/ryan plan ends mecare tor future retirees as the "wall street journal" reported or going into the key states like ohio and talking about how the automotive bailout under president obama's leadership saved the economy of that state and helped to rebuild it and many midwestern states, so it is using those resources to target individuals in the neighborhoods and knocking on doors the and phone banks, and we know that t plays a role, but connecting the issues with the voter. that is the challenge, and the real challenge for the democrats is to tack tor factor in the su money, because we will see $17 billion flood the system. we have to be on the ground and aggressive. >> we will see if the campaign takes your advice. thank you, robert zimmerman. >> thank you. >>> and los angeles is saying hello to the newest star resident. the spaceship "endeavour" is rolling through tinsel town on the latest mission. find out where it is headed. we will have a live report straight ahead. ♪ into a high-tech
for example, many of us democrats going into florida and making clear the message that the romney/ryan plan ends mecare tor future retirees as the "wall street journal" reported or going into the key states like ohio and talking about how the automotive bailout under president obama's leadership saved the economy of that state and helped to rebuild it and many midwestern states, so it is using those resources to target individuals in the neighborhoods and knocking on doors the and...
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let me ask you about the romney-ryan ticket. did they establish themselves? did they pass the threshold of being presidential enough? >> yes. >> yes, i think association yes, definitely. >> i join the chorus. chris: this weekend marks the 50th anniversary of the cuban missile cry sifments president john f. kennedy and khrushchev faced each other over 13 days and much of that time they faced down the hawks on both sides, with spy plane photos showing the russians assem bling missiles in cuba capable of hitting new york, and the top advisors, including the chief of staff of the air force to authorize immediate air strikes before the missiles could be armed by the soviets. kennedy had to weigh the hawks' advice against the reality that no air strike could be 100% effective. and the possibilities that russian retaliation could target berlin and thereby trigger an all-out nuke yar war, as robert kennedy wrote, "the final list of the cuban missile crisis is the importance of placing ourselves in the other country's shoes." president kennedy understood that the sovi
let me ask you about the romney-ryan ticket. did they establish themselves? did they pass the threshold of being presidential enough? >> yes. >> yes, i think association yes, definitely. >> i join the chorus. chris: this weekend marks the 50th anniversary of the cuban missile cry sifments president john f. kennedy and khrushchev faced each other over 13 days and much of that time they faced down the hawks on both sides, with spy plane photos showing the russians assem bling...
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but romney is a rising star in the republican party. when paul ryan met up with joe biden on thursday, it brought this to mind. >> release it. on thursday, biden smiled, zingers on even the most steadfast of the undecided voters. >> try to scare people from voting for you. you see, i understand -- >> do you have the specifics? >> that's what we do. >> thank heavens we have these sessions in place. >> oh, god. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> that is so funny. but in all seriousness, folks, this is a guide but it's also a call to action because at the end of the day, one or two debates shouldn't inspire an entire election. voters need to look at the candidates' record and their platform to make a decision. more importantly your vote matters, but if you're undecided and you don't show up to vote or you can't decide between these two candidates, then come november 6, we may just get the government that we deserve. at the table, glen johnson, politics ed tort at politicsboston.c
but romney is a rising star in the republican party. when paul ryan met up with joe biden on thursday, it brought this to mind. >> release it. on thursday, biden smiled, zingers on even the most steadfast of the undecided voters. >> try to scare people from voting for you. you see, i understand -- >> do you have the specifics? >> that's what we do. >> thank heavens we have these sessions in place. >> oh, god. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. jack...
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it says that we know that the romney/ryan plan won't work on those making under $200,000 a year. none of the studies have disprchb that. we don't know what the loopholes are. if it's about the mortgage interest deduction. a deduction which i could argue vigorously against its existence. but only against putting it into existence. once it exists to take it would have a devastating -- >> nobody is talking about getting rid of the mortgage deduction. they're talking about limiting it. >> won't specify what they are. >> conservatives say broaden the tax base, what's that a euphemism for is raising taxes on lower income people. to your point, to make it really simple, if you have a million dollars and i give you an additional $20,000. you don't have to spend that additional $20,000 because you've got a million dollars. if you have $20,000 and i give you $500. you're spending every dime because you have to. >> immediately. >> that's why lowering taxes on lower income people boosts the economy because they go to walmart that money. a rich person doesn't go to walmart with their extra mo
it says that we know that the romney/ryan plan won't work on those making under $200,000 a year. none of the studies have disprchb that. we don't know what the loopholes are. if it's about the mortgage interest deduction. a deduction which i could argue vigorously against its existence. but only against putting it into existence. once it exists to take it would have a devastating -- >> nobody is talking about getting rid of the mortgage deduction. they're talking about limiting it....
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. >> behind that group of people is romney/ryan. >> signs are always in the perfect position for the television cameras or still photographers to pick them up. >> because of how cameras work, we have something here like 40, 50-foot banners cover buildings and get in a tight shot. >> it's the first thing he walks past that people say as he makes the pivot toward the stage. >> what difference does it make? >> visuals matter so much. campaigns come down to photography. campaigns need light and sound. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the next president of the united states! >> keep it up, keep it up. >> now kill it, kill it. >> if we fail, the message stays here with 2,000 or 3,000 people in cleveland, ohio. the goal is to make sure it translates to as many folks as possible. >> ritter monitors the events as they happen. >> hey, will, you're live on all the cables. can i get more hand signs to that crowd behind the gov? >> setting up one event may take weeks and yet -- >> it may last ten minutes. >> then they do it again. 1:00, 2:00 in the morning, we'll do it again. it heads to t
. >> behind that group of people is romney/ryan. >> signs are always in the perfect position for the television cameras or still photographers to pick them up. >> because of how cameras work, we have something here like 40, 50-foot banners cover buildings and get in a tight shot. >> it's the first thing he walks past that people say as he makes the pivot toward the stage. >> what difference does it make? >> visuals matter so much. campaigns come down to...
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. >> the first two debates were paul ryan, mitt romney. the numbers that i have have shown a significant movement in the senior vote, but we're also, you know -- look, since 1952 dwight eisenhower there have been 15 presidential elections. democrats have won four. each one of those four johnson, carter, clinton, and obama have been won by people who eventually won the election. in florida he is behind. i mean, obama. if he is behind in florida, according to florida history, he is not going to win the general election. >> let's get this straight on medicare. the $700 billion plus that al and other republicans speak about coming out of medicare just so all of florida seniors knows, that's coming out of insurance companies and providers who are charging too much. >> providers are -- but, okay, let me just -- i don't want to get into the weeds on this number because nobody ever comes to an agreement on it, but a provider is a doctor, and what we know is that those folks on medicare have to struggle sometimes to find a doctor who will accept me
. >> the first two debates were paul ryan, mitt romney. the numbers that i have have shown a significant movement in the senior vote, but we're also, you know -- look, since 1952 dwight eisenhower there have been 15 presidential elections. democrats have won four. each one of those four johnson, carter, clinton, and obama have been won by people who eventually won the election. in florida he is behind. i mean, obama. if he is behind in florida, according to florida history, he is not...
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last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket here in ohio. the president still shows a lead here in ohio, even though that lead has been chipped into over the last week or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bailout. the president of course supported that bailout, pushed it through. the president and his campaign says that bailout saved hundreds of thousands of jobs not just in detroit but here in ohio and el
last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket...
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and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt romney showed up for a debate. i think the next time you see president obama, he'll come ready for a debate. >> here is he on the tom joyner radio show. he said he was too polite in last week's debate. let's listen to the president. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think it's fair to say, i was just too polite. because, you know, it's hard to keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. the good news is, that's just the first one. >> is that the number one job of the president, to be the fact-checker, or is what you've done the last fou
and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt...
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they first blamed the youtube video and now they're trying to blame the romney-ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security again. >> so joining me now with their take on all of this, ben smith is the editor in chief of the content website buzz feed and then to his right in san francisco is cnn contributor and anchor of "real news," amy holmes. let me start with you, ben since you're sitting right beside me. that was a big issue and this has been a contentious debate and the white house has been taking it on the chin over what happened in libya, and it seemed to some that either the vice president wasn't sure of his semantics when he said we didn't know they needed more security or it seemed to others he knew that the white house didn't have that information right away, but it's all about the optics. how did they come off last night on this very critical foreign policy issue. >> that struck me as biden's worst moment, and i don't know if joe biden personally knew about barackbama, and there had been a hea
they first blamed the youtube video and now they're trying to blame the romney-ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security again. >> so joining me now with their take on all of this, ben smith is the editor in chief of the content website buzz feed and then to his right in san francisco is cnn contributor and anchor of "real news," amy holmes. let me start with you, ben since you're sitting...
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laid out a plan, the ryan/romney plan. not just a contrast in style but in substance. >> so what's the next debate look like, ed, as you guys prepare for the second presidential debate? >> well, it's a town hall format, as you know. it allows for an opportunity to hear from real people and their concerns. they have a lot of legitimate concerns and we're looking forward to continuing this momentum that we got out of the first debate and that paul ryan and his big win over sitting vice president. i can't recall a time when the challenger for the vice president to the vice president bested the vice president in the debate and when you look at a poll, most people saw in paul ryan someone who had a command of the facts, a clear and positive agenda for the future and someone who is very serious about the issues, the serious issues that we face as a country. we're going to continue to highlight those big choice differences before the american people. >> ed gillespie, thank you very much for being on the show. we'll talk to you so
laid out a plan, the ryan/romney plan. not just a contrast in style but in substance. >> so what's the next debate look like, ed, as you guys prepare for the second presidential debate? >> well, it's a town hall format, as you know. it allows for an opportunity to hear from real people and their concerns. they have a lot of legitimate concerns and we're looking forward to continuing this momentum that we got out of the first debate and that paul ryan and his big win over sitting...
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now if you bring on the romney/ryan plan, the landscape is just the same. they have the same increase. they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare what happens is that the government pays medicare. medicare pays the hospital. the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the government would pay you and you would decide if you wanted to buy into medicare or into private insurance that will create competition between the two and their theory and that is how you get at that very same waste that the white house wants to get out. these are two very complicated, huge programs. there are critics on both sides who say this plan won't work or that plan won't work or this plan will leave people strand or that plan will leave people stranded. the truth is, it is complicated. it's hard to deal with all of that. if we go to this basic claim that both sides
now if you bring on the romney/ryan plan, the landscape is just the same. they have the same increase. they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare what happens is that the government pays medicare. medicare pays the hospital. the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the...